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Message Therapy Without Borders

This week, Cathy and Cal host a fascia-nating conversation with Til Luchau and David Lesondak. The guests are here to explore questions of branding, credentials, and ego. Can massage therapists come together into a collaborative community, or are we destined to carve out and defend our modality turf? Much like fascia, the conversation goes everywhere, touches everything, and leads into some unexpected terrain.

About the Guests:

Til Luchau is a lead instructor and the Director of With a diverse background that includes manual therapy, somatic psychology, transformative education, as well as organizational and leadership development, Til’s ability to connect interdisciplinary, big-picture ideas to practical, real-world applications has made his talks, books, trainings, and events popular worldwide. As a Certified Advanced Rolfer™, Til was on the faculty of the Dr. Ida Rolf Institute® for 20 years. The author of the Advanced Myofascial Techniques textbook series, his numerous articles have been published in periodicals and peer-reviewed professional journals in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Japan, Poland, the UK, and the USA. Formerly a resident practitioner at the Esalen Institute, Chair of the Dr. Ida Rolf Institute®’s Teacher Training Committee, and Adjunct Faculty member of Naropa University’s Somatic Psychology Department, he has trained thousands of practitioners in his popular courses at schools, universities and clinics in over twenty countries, on all seven continents.

David Lesondak, BCSI, ATSI, FST, VMT, FFT is an Allied Health Member in the Department of Family and Community Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC). He is the author of the international bestseller, Fascia: What It Is and Why It Matters (currently in 9 languages). August of 2020 will see the publication of: Fascia, Function, and Medical Applications – a textbook aimed at the medical and healthcare industry and published by Routledge. He also contributed to the second edition of Metabolic Therapies in Orthopedics (CRC Press). David spent 10 years as “chief documentarian” of the Fascia Research Group at Ulm University, Germany, where he produced over 80 educational videos covering the full spectrum of fascia research. He provided similar services to the Fascia Research Congress in 2012, and directed and co-produced Anatomy Trains Revealed, a three-DVD, legacy media set, that takes Thomas Myers’ myofascial meridians concept from the page into real-time exploration in the anatomy lab.

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